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[trulyfair]

Do you really think clicking some 1 cent link is the same thing as robbing the corner store?? Come on, every person who got robbed in person (with a gun against his head or something like that) could tell you the difference...

It doesn't matter how it's done, it all boils down to the same thing - stealing.

[Guest_priestes_*]

Do you really think clicking some 1 cent link is the same thing as robbing the corner store?? Come on, every person who got robbed in person (with a gun against his head or something like that) could tell you the difference...

So cause someone didnt hold a gun to your head and you commited a crime it makes it less of a crime. We have White collar jails in the US for people who have committed crimes that didnt put a gun to someones head. ie. White collar crimes generally hurt someone they just are not violent. Does not make it less of a crime.

Think about 10,000 people stealing 1 cent from a jar. How much money is that? 10,000 people dipping into the jar and thinking they didn't hurt anything cause they only took a penny just stole $1000 from that jar. Does it make it right?

[rumild]

Perhaps they feel as strongly as you do about things? Maybe they don't feel the sites are doing anything wrong? Maybe they don't know? Maybe they don't care?

But it does not mean folks cannot discuss things without tearing at each other. Why does it always have to turn into bashing.

Some of us truly do care where PTR is going. We do care what it is doing to members and other sites. We do care about many of the issues. More then most would think. But if someone doesn't speak up who is going to even look at the options. I do not agree with bashing. And I have been guilty of getting my panties in a wad. It is one of the reasons i left the forum for awhile to gain a better perspective on things and try to get back to being my old self who tried to look at things from all sides not just one side.

I do understand many of you make more money doing what you do, but you know I have ask many times and no one has ever answered it. When the honest sites sent out search ads for 1 cent sometimes 2 cents or even 1/2 cent why would members not bother to click on the ads? Why is it when you are now losing your money or not getting as many emails or losing your accounts do you all of a sudden search? Because before the search sites popped up most sites sent out higher value links for search ads. Many of the search portal advertisers paid for higher value to get your clicks but when you were not forced to click you didn't bother with search ads but to click the link and collect the money but now so many of you are oh so willing to do it when being told you have to or you wont get paid.

Can someone answer this honestly for me?

I have been doing PTR for 10 yrs or more. I have always done valid searches. In the 90's I made as much as I make now... but for 10 yrs, everytime I built a line, the site disappeared. With my earnings. I joined all new programs in Jan 06 when I decided to give PTR another try. I do have a few "older" programs... mainly to track the ads I buy thru them. I still do valid searches, always will.

[Guest_priestes_*]

And the other word that was censored is a common expression thats for hateful,spiteful,vindictive,uppity and sneaky women.In all fairness,two wrongs dont make a right.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) You lost me ann? I didnt see any word I used censored? Nor do I know what you are referring to.. Perhaps I need my nap old age does funny things to ones mind when they don't have enough sleep ....

[trulyfair]

Ummm that goes against my nature. That would mean me forcing someone to give me money. Me getting paid to search is my choice. It is the owners choice as to how much he pays me.

What choice is given to the businesses that advertise with the search engine? Those businesses are the ones who ultimately supply the funds that pay you.

[cuteycarrot]

I'm still trying to figure out how Google shares are so high with all this stealing going on and no one buying. Come on now.....

[azhippie]

priestes, I think she was refering to the word I used, not you.

This post has been edited by azhippie: Jul 13 2006, 04:13 PM

[Guest_priestes_*]

priestes, I think she was refering to the word I used, not you.

Thank you for clarifying that I thought I was going to have to go back and check my posts. Wondered if I was going senile now and had posted something I shouldn't have lol.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/duh.gif)

[kate]

It doesn't matter how it's done, it all boils down to the same thing - stealing.

What I was trying to say there is that it does make a difference. A friend of mine got robbed while working at a snackbar. ( something like mcDonalds I mean, I Don't know if it is called the same in US) Believe me, if something like that happens to you, you won't be the same person for a very long time...
So it defenitely is not the same thing as seeing your advertising money taken, at least not for me.

[mythical3]

It looks like to me a lot of sour grapes floating around here and the owner of theses 2 sites getting stuck with them all. One person laughing about what they did and then another and he is the one that got burnt as well as his members that depend on the cash they make from his sites. So laugh on just remember that the man upstairs sees all and knows all and looks out for all of thoses that cant look out for themselves and just remember you may have hurt some of those on your way to stomp on some one else. mythical3 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Guest_2kids2pets_*]

Before you go spending all the loot from doing all these hundreds of driven searches, perhaps it would be a good idea to look at the trends. The searchy sites are disappearing faster than they are appearing, they are driving members harder for searches. Accounts with SEs and domains are being canned daily. 0 iframes now contain over 100 auto searches where they used to contain only two or three. Ever wonder why this is happening? It's crumbling fast, they're getting caught faster, the bids are drying up faster.

Enjoy your new outfits and hair dos while you can because the writing is on the wall. It's almost over, killed by greed theft and fraud. You might like to put the blame on the small handful who spoke out and who reported a few blatant violations, and if that's what makes you feel better about it, then go right ahead, but that isn't where the blame lies at all.

We ALL know where the blame lies.

[cuteycarrot]

What I was trying to say there is that it does make a difference. A friend of mine got robbed while working at a snackbar. ( something like mcDonalds I mean, I Don't know if it is called the same in US) Believe me, if something like that happens to you, you won't be the same person for a very long time...
So it defenitely is not the same thing as seeing your advertising money taken, at least not for me.

It's not the same thing. I don't know the mentality behind the comment that made that comparison.

[Guest_wagdoll_*]

I'm still trying to figure out how Google shares are so high with all this stealing going on and no one buying. Come on now.....

When there isn't fraud, contextual and ppc advertising brings great conversions. It's only fraud that drives them down. If PTR members are told to go and do lots of valid searches but those are actually fake searches, just for the bid money and google shares are high, does that make it ok to go make those fake clicks? Does it make it ok to break the TOS of TrafficZ? Does it make it ok to set up search engines to drive incentive traffic and pay for the searches? Does it make it ok to set up a contextual advertising company, where incentive clicks are prohibited and then go and pay people to click on them?



Do miva allow incentive clicks? Maybe Mike can tell you the answer to that one.

[ann44]

Oh I am sure they're plenty of spies and two-faced please don't beat word censor in my downline as well. But there are also people who bash click fraud sites under one name and then take money for clicking the same links they bash on here. And have for quite a while. They also advertise the 'click fraud' sites too, to get more in their downline.

I don't post the names, because really, it isnt any of my business if someone is a hypocrit, just like I don't report the 1/4 cent sites for the search mails.

Wanna play name that clicker? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[trulyfair]

What I was trying to say there is that it does make a difference. A friend of mine got robbed while working at a snackbar. ( something like mcDonalds I mean, I Don't know if it is called the same in US) Believe me, if something like that happens to you, you won't be the same person for a very long time...
So it defenitely is not the same thing as seeing your advertising money taken, at least not for me.

It's not the same thing. I don't know the mentality behind the comment that made that comparison.

It's not OK to steal from a store/bank, but it is OK to steal from an advertiser on a search engine? I suppose just because you don't see the people you are stealing from?

Stealing is stealing no matter how it's done.